阿布答疑:突破,持倉還是離場?

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於 2023年6月3日 (六) 19:37 由 Zaghyang對話 | 貢獻 所做的修訂

Source: Ask Al: Breakouts, when to exit or hold?

Question 1: Al, if you buy a breakout, how do you determine when to get out breakeven and when to hold through the pullback?

問題1:如果你買了突破,你怎樣確定何時止損平倉,何時堅持持有回撤?

Video duration: 6min 02sec

Scalp or swing?

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For me, it depends on what your goal is.  This comes down to scalp versus swing.  If I’m buying a breakout and I’m doing it for a scalp, I don’t want the market to come back.  I’m pretty quick to get out.  If I think that a pullback is acceptable, a lot of times I’ll scale in during a pullback.  But if I’m looking at a pullback and I’m saying, 「Wait a minute, it should not be doing that,」 then I get out.

For a swing trade, depending on how big of a swing, and how far the target is, you have to allow pullbacks.  You have to assume that there’ll be pullbacks. As long as your premise[1] is valid and as long as the market — in this case, a bull trend — as long as every pullback stays above the most recent breakout low. So breakout low — if it stays above that, it’s still long. Breakout low, stays above that. Breakout low, stays above that. Breakout low, stays above it. Breakout, stays above it, right? As long as every pullback stays above the prior strong leg up, the premise is still valid.

對於我來說,這取決於您的目標是什麼。這歸結為頭皮與擺動的區別。如果我正在購買突破並且我是為頭皮而做的,我不希望市場回來。我很快就會退出。如果我認為回撤是可以接受的,很多時候我會在回撤期間逐步加倉。但是,如果我正在看回撤併且我說:「等一下,不應該這樣做,」那麼我就退出了。

對於擺動交易,取決於擺動程度和目標的遠近,您必須允許回撤。您必須假設會有回撤。只要您的前提是有效的,只要市場 - 在這種情況下,是牛市 - 只要每次回撤都保持在最近的突破低位之上。突破低點 - 如果它保持在上面,仍然是波動的。突破低點,保持在上面。突破低點,保持在上面。突破低點,保持在上面。突破低,保持在上面,對吧?只要每次回撤都保持在前一個強勢上漲之上,那麼前提仍然有效。

Reversal signal

Sometimes you’ll get a reversal signal before the market falls below a low.  So let’s say you’re long up here [B44/45], your stop is down here [below B38]. But let’s say you decided to short below 57 or below 64, taking a chance for a Major Trend Reversal, that’s okay.  So, you can get out even though it’s still Always In Long.  But the Always In Long bulls strictly speaking, until they see a strong reversal down, they stay long as long as it’s staying above the bottom of their last leg up.

有時候在市場跌破低點前,您會收到反轉信號。假設您在這裏(B44/45)做多,您的止損位在這裏(低於B38)。但是,假設您決定在57以下或64以下做空,冒着主要趨勢逆轉的風險,那就可以了。因此,即使仍然保持始終多頭,您也可以退出。但是始終多頭的牛仍然嚴格要求,在看到強烈的下降逆轉之前,只要市場保持在上一個上升趨勢的底部以上,他們就會一直持有多頭。

Question 2: When there’s a breakout like 61. While it is happening, how do differentiate from 28 or 38, to enter with market orders? How do you know how large the bar will be?

問題2:當出現像61這樣的突破時,如何在發生時與28或38區分開來,以市場訂單進入?你怎麼知道杆的大小會是多少?

Always review context

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Okay, so he’s saying when you get a breakout like 61 right here and he’s comparing it to 28 or 38, 38 or 28. Now first of all, context is a little bit different. Here we get a wedge bull flag, we’re getting late in the day, 11:30. For trend resumption or trend reversal. And then also as 61 was forming, I tried, it was going up very quickly—I placed a limit order to buy a two tick pull back. And instead of pulling back, I went up like three or four ticks and I was thinking to myself, 「Oh, that’s bad. That’s bad. I’m going to get trapped out.」 So I just hit 『Buy the Market』 and I keep my fingers crossed.

好的,他說當你像61一樣爆發,並將其與28或38進行比較時。 首先,上下文有點不同。 在這裏,我們得到了楔形牛旗,已經到了晚上11:30,用於趨勢恢復或趨勢逆轉。 然後,當61正在形成時,我嘗試了一下,它上漲得非常快-我放置了一個限價單來購買兩個拉回。 而不是拉回,它上升了三或四個可操作的價格,我正在想「哦,那很糟糕。那很糟糕。 我會被困住的。」 所以我只是按下'買入市場',然後盤算我的手指。

Decide quickly

It’s like when you are a kid, you’re jumping off a high board for the first time. You stand up there and you hesitate and then you say, 「I’m just going to do it.」 So you bring your arms in tight and your knees up to your chest. Your cheeks are puffed up, you pinched your nose, your eyes are squeezed really hard, and you just jump and hope for the best. So when things are doing that, when they’re going up really quickly, you just don’t know. You have to decide quickly.

I knew that I wanted to buy and I usually try to buy with a limit order. And I probably did buy on a limit order on 28 or 27 or 37. Because that’s what I typically do. But here [36/49/57], I thought that we had a wedge and a micro double bottom like we’d go to the bottom and that we had the potential to get up to the 60-minute moving average for the high of the day so I thought there was a potential for a breakout.

就像當你還是個孩子,第一次跳下高台時那樣。你站在那裏猶豫不決,然後你說,「我要這麼做。」你把手臂緊貼在身體兩側,將膝蓋抬到胸前。你的臉頰鼓起來,捏鼻子,緊閉雙眼,然後你就跳下去,希望結果最好。所以當事情發展得很快時,你根本不知道該怎麼做。你必須快速決定。

我知道我想買,我通常會嘗試用限價單購買。我可能在28或27或37時以限價單購買。因為那是我通常做的事情。但是在這裏[36/49/57],我認為我們有楔形和微型雙底,就像我們會到達底部,而且我們有潛力達到一天的60分鐘移動平均線,所以我認為有潛力進行突破。

Look for trend resumption or reversal

And it’s really easy to get lulled into indifference when you’re in a sideways market for 2 hours like that. But around 11, 11:30, 12, I always start to pay a lot more attention. And I look for trend resumption or trend reversal. So, for me, you’re saying how do I know 28 and 38 are not going to be strongly bullish. Well, first of all, 28 — tight bear channel – it’s probably a minor reversal. And 38, right now, it’s a second leg up in a trading range day, and it’s just not all that big so I’m not too certain about that.


Here, we’ve got a wedge higher low and a very big bull-bar, the biggest bull-bar of the day, and we’re breaking out of what I think is a wedge bull flag or a triangle. And I tried to buy and could not buy the way I typically buy. So it’s probably something atypical about what’s going on. The character of the market might change.

這很容易讓你陷入冷漠狀態,特別是像那樣在一側市場連續交易了2個小時。但是大約在11點、11點半或12點左右,我總是開始更加關注市場。我尋找趨勢恢復或趨勢反轉的跡象。因此,對於我來說,你想知道28和38不會強烈看漲是如何的。首先,28 - 緊熊通道 - 這可能是一次次要反轉。現在的38是交易區間日的第二個上漲期,而且並不是很大,所以我對此並不太確定。

在這裏,我們看到上升趨勢的楔形低位和一個非常大的上漲條,是當天最大的上漲條,我們正突破我認為是楔形公牛旗或三角形的區間。我試圖購買,但無法以我通常的方式購買。所以市場的性質可能會發生改變。

Question 3. You mentioned that you missed the buy on the close of 61. What told you that it was a breakout while still in a sideways trading range? 問題3. 您提到錯過了61美元的尾盤買入機會。在仍處於橫盤交易區間時,什麼告訴您這是一個突破?

Limit order bars

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Well, two things. You’ve got this big-bull reversal bar, you always hear me talk about those bars being limit order bars with sellers above. Those sellers are scalpers. If the context is good, here we’re in a bull trend, at the moving average, I think most of the time you make a profit buying above 58. But you need a wide stop. And the alternative is instead of buying above 58, you place a limit order to buy a 50% pull back. And then 61, now we have a second entry buy setup, with closing on its high at the moving average. To me, that’s even a higher probability buy than buying above 58.

好的,兩件事。你有一個很大的看空反轉杆,你常聽我談論這些杆形成賣家賣價以上的限價杆。那些賣家是高頻交易者。如果環境好,在這裏我們處在多頭趨勢中,而且在移動平均線上,我認為大多數時間你買入58以上的位置會盈利。但你需要一個寬鬆的止損。另一個選擇是,不是在58以上買入,而是下單在50%回撤處購買。然後,61,現在我們有了一個第二次入場的買入機會,在移動平均線上收盤最高點。對我來說,這比在58以上買入更高的概率。

The right thing to do

And [second thing] I talk, sometimes have stuff I have to do on the phone, doctor’s appointments, and contractors, who knows what. And my mother sometimes calls. She’s always amusing to me.

What happens is, she’ll call and she’d say 「Al. Did you call?」 And I know what she’s saying – she’s saying that she’s lonely. And she may be faking it. I don’t know, maybe half the time she says that nobody called, and she just wants to talk to me. So I say 「Oh? No Ma, but I can talk.」 So whenever she calls, I always take the call. I always speak with her a couple of times a week. And that results in me — it costs me money. But it’s still the right thing to do so I do it.

我講話時,有時必須在電話上進行事務,如醫生預約和承包商等。我母親有時也會打電話來。她總是逗我開心。她會打電話來問我「Al,你打電話了嗎?」。我知道她的意思是她很孤獨。有時她可能是在假裝。我不知道,也許有一半的時間她會說沒有人打電話,她只想和我聊天。所以我會說 「哦?媽媽,沒有,但我可以和你聊天。」所以,每當她打電話來,我總是接聽。我每周都會和她交談幾次。雖然這花費了我一些錢,但仍然是正確的事情,所以我這麼做。

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