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== Chapter 30B ==
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==== 3个变量 - Risk Reward and Probability ====
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![[File:30B-RRP-2.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Three Important Variables: Not Just Risk and Reward]]
|3个重要变量: 不仅仅是Risk and Reward
Traders在准备入场任何一个交易时,需要考虑3个变量:
 
* Probability
* Reward
* Risk
 
早的入场点意味着更小的risk,更大的reward, 但也意味着更低的概率。
 
晚的入场点意味着更高的概率,但更差的盈亏比
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![[File:30B-RRP-7.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Beginners: Afraid of Risk - did not think in terms of probability]]
|Beginners: Afraid of Risk
 
 
When trader starts out, worked hard to save enough money to try trading
 
Account is small so Afraid of losing opportunity to see if can win big
 
 
Generally take lowest risk trades
 
Lose money because don’t understand
 
importance of probability and that low risk trades lose 60% or more of the time
 
Lose money because of poor management
 
 
Can make money with either high probability and weak RR
 
or low probability and strong RR if manage the trades properly
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-8.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Experienced Traders: Only Think about Math]]
|Experienced Traders: Only Think about Math
 
 
They choose high probability or strong RR, depending on which gives them a better edge
 
For example, if they have to leave soon, they might choose higher probability
 
because these trades usually have a faster profit, even though ¡s it usually smaller (scalp)
 
 
Skilled traders don’t worry too much about picking exact top or bottom
 
Many wait for BO or pullback since probability 60% or more
 
 
Comfortable with stop far away
 
Bigger risk is cost of getting high probability
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![[File:30B-RRP-9.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Improve the Math: 2 Ways]]
|Improve the Math: 2 Ways
One way to improve RR is by swing trading instead of scalping
 
 
Swing trader takes profit here
 
Same initial risk as scalper
 
Average profit is bigger
 
More than offsets slightly lower probability of profit before stop is hit
 
 
2nd way to improve Trader’s Equation is by scaling in
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-10.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Scaling In: Increase Probability, but Pay for It with RR]]
|Scaling In: Increase Probability, but Pay for It with RR
 
 
Sell below pullback bar
 
Sell more (scale in) below Low 2 sell signal bar
 
 
Scaling into trade increases probability
 
Pay for it with increased risk and reduced reward
 
 
Take profits at 1st entry
 
Breakeven on Pt short
 
Profit on 2nd short
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![[File:30B-RRP-11.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Bull Breakout: Increases Probability]]
|Bull Breakout: Increases Probability
 
 
Strong BO and follow-through
 
High probability of Measured Move up,  but stop is far below so big risk
 
 
PB after strong BO so bull flag
 
Slightly lower probability
 
since TTR (and Triangle)
 
 
Small risk, but low probability
 
DB HL MTR, bottom of TR,
 
but most TR BO fail
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![[File:30B-RRP-13.png|left|thumb|600x600px|High Probability: Means Scalping (Weak RR)]]
|High Probability: Means Scalping (Weak RR)
If someone wins 90% of time, he is scalping
 
Cannot get good variable without giving on others
 
If I get high probability, you get good RR (usually small risk)
 
This means that you lose a little and I make a little (scalp)
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![[File:30B-RRP-14.png|left|thumb|600x600px|RR Usually Exact: Probability Never Certain]]
|RR Usually Exact: Probability Never Certain
 
 
You know risk and reward
 
You set them when you place your bracket order
 
Know how many ticks/pips they are from your entry price
 
* Risk = number of ticks/pips to protective stop
* Reward = number of ticks/pips to profit taking limit order
* '''Probability = most important, but never clear and often ignored'''
 
 
Sell close of 2nd strong bear trend bar
 
Stop is above top of bear leg of top of 2 bar BO
 
 
Reasonable initial profit target (reward)
 
Most traders want profit at least equal to initial risk
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![[File:30-RRP-15.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Deep Pullback in Bull: Risk, Reward, and Probability]]
|Deep Pullback in Bull: Risk, Reward, and Probability
 
 
Always look to the left of any BO
 
As long as above prior low, still in bull channel,
 
even if Always In Short
 
 
Bear BO and follow-through
 
Always In Short
 
 
Double Bottom
 
Higher Low
 
Bulls buy reversal up
 
Most bears exit
 
 
Small BO below bottom of bull BO bar (hard to see)
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![[File:30B-RRP-18.png|left|thumb|600x600px|How Many Bull Dollars in Bottom 3rd?]]
|How Many Bull Dollars in Bottom 3rd? Need Reversal Up
 
 
Strength of reversal up tells traders bulls stronger than bears Back to Always In Long
 
 
In bottom 3rd, always an unknowable number of dollars ready to buy to create HL and Broad Bull Channel
 
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-19.png|left|thumb|600x600px|Deep Pullback in Bear: Risk, Reward, and Probability]]
|Deep Pullback in Bear: Risk, Reward, and Probability
 
 
Always look to the left of any BO
 
As long as below prior high, still in bear channel, even if Always In Long
 
 
Double Top, LH Possible Broad Bear Channel
 
Bulls exit 2nd Leg Trap and bears sell
 
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-20.png|left|thumb|600x600px|PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears]]
|PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears
 
 
As long as PB stays below 50%, then probability at least 50% for bears
 
 
But, below 50% PB, risk greater than reward
 
Stop is farther than profit target
 
 
Most important target for bulls Is above entire bear swing, not just last leg down
 
If rally goes above highest stop, then no longer bear channel
 
Then, either bull or TR
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-21.png|left|thumb|600x600px|PB ¡n Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears]]
|PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears
 
 
In top 3rd, probability is 60% for bulls to get new high
 
and 40% for bears to get new low
 
 
Reward for bears is 2x risk (good RR)
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![[File:30B-RRP-22.png|left|thumb|600x600px|In Top 3rd: RR Favors Bears]]
|In Top 3rd: RR Clearly Favors Bears
This means reward at least 2x risk
 
Also means probability fell to 40%
 
In bottom half, probability favors bears
 
This means at least 60% chance of new low
 
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![[File:30B-RRP-23.png|left|thumb|600x600px|How Many Bear Dollars in Top 3rd? Need Reversal Down]]
|How Many Bear Dollars in Top 3rd? Need Reversal Down
 
 
 
Even though probability favors bulls,
 
RR is at least 2:1 for the bears
 
Always bears willing to sell
 
 
In top 3rd, always an unknowable number of dollars ready to sell to create LH and Broad Bear Channel
 
 
Strength of reversal down tells traders bears stronger than bulls
 
Back to Always In Short
 
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Chapter 30B[编辑 | 编辑源代码]

3个变量 - Risk Reward and Probability[编辑 | 编辑源代码]

Three Important Variables: Not Just Risk and Reward
3个重要变量: 不仅仅是Risk and Reward

Traders在准备入场任何一个交易时,需要考虑3个变量:

  • Probability
  • Reward
  • Risk

早的入场点意味着更小的risk,更大的reward, 但也意味着更低的概率。

晚的入场点意味着更高的概率,但更差的盈亏比

Beginners: Afraid of Risk - did not think in terms of probability
Beginners: Afraid of Risk


When trader starts out, worked hard to save enough money to try trading

Account is small so Afraid of losing opportunity to see if can win big


Generally take lowest risk trades

Lose money because don’t understand

importance of probability and that low risk trades lose 60% or more of the time

Lose money because of poor management


Can make money with either high probability and weak RR

or low probability and strong RR if manage the trades properly

Experienced Traders: Only Think about Math
Experienced Traders: Only Think about Math


They choose high probability or strong RR, depending on which gives them a better edge

For example, if they have to leave soon, they might choose higher probability

because these trades usually have a faster profit, even though ¡s it usually smaller (scalp)


Skilled traders don’t worry too much about picking exact top or bottom

Many wait for BO or pullback since probability 60% or more


Comfortable with stop far away

Bigger risk is cost of getting high probability

Improve the Math: 2 Ways
Improve the Math: 2 Ways

One way to improve RR is by swing trading instead of scalping


Swing trader takes profit here

Same initial risk as scalper

Average profit is bigger

More than offsets slightly lower probability of profit before stop is hit


2nd way to improve Trader’s Equation is by scaling in

Scaling In: Increase Probability, but Pay for It with RR
Scaling In: Increase Probability, but Pay for It with RR


Sell below pullback bar

Sell more (scale in) below Low 2 sell signal bar


Scaling into trade increases probability

Pay for it with increased risk and reduced reward


Take profits at 1st entry

Breakeven on Pt short

Profit on 2nd short

Bull Breakout: Increases Probability
Bull Breakout: Increases Probability


Strong BO and follow-through

High probability of Measured Move up, but stop is far below so big risk


PB after strong BO so bull flag

Slightly lower probability

since TTR (and Triangle)


Small risk, but low probability

DB HL MTR, bottom of TR,

but most TR BO fail

High Probability: Means Scalping (Weak RR)
High Probability: Means Scalping (Weak RR)

If someone wins 90% of time, he is scalping

Cannot get good variable without giving on others

If I get high probability, you get good RR (usually small risk)

This means that you lose a little and I make a little (scalp)

RR Usually Exact: Probability Never Certain
RR Usually Exact: Probability Never Certain


You know risk and reward

You set them when you place your bracket order

Know how many ticks/pips they are from your entry price

  • Risk = number of ticks/pips to protective stop
  • Reward = number of ticks/pips to profit taking limit order
  • Probability = most important, but never clear and often ignored


Sell close of 2nd strong bear trend bar

Stop is above top of bear leg of top of 2 bar BO


Reasonable initial profit target (reward)

Most traders want profit at least equal to initial risk

Deep Pullback in Bull: Risk, Reward, and Probability
Deep Pullback in Bull: Risk, Reward, and Probability


Always look to the left of any BO

As long as above prior low, still in bull channel,

even if Always In Short


Bear BO and follow-through

Always In Short


Double Bottom

Higher Low

Bulls buy reversal up

Most bears exit


Small BO below bottom of bull BO bar (hard to see)

How Many Bull Dollars in Bottom 3rd?
How Many Bull Dollars in Bottom 3rd? Need Reversal Up


Strength of reversal up tells traders bulls stronger than bears Back to Always In Long


In bottom 3rd, always an unknowable number of dollars ready to buy to create HL and Broad Bull Channel


Deep Pullback in Bear: Risk, Reward, and Probability
Deep Pullback in Bear: Risk, Reward, and Probability


Always look to the left of any BO

As long as below prior high, still in bear channel, even if Always In Long


Double Top, LH Possible Broad Bear Channel

Bulls exit 2nd Leg Trap and bears sell


PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears
PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears


As long as PB stays below 50%, then probability at least 50% for bears


But, below 50% PB, risk greater than reward

Stop is farther than profit target


Most important target for bulls Is above entire bear swing, not just last leg down

If rally goes above highest stop, then no longer bear channel

Then, either bull or TR

PB ¡n Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears
PB in Bear Less Than 50%: Probability Favors Bears


In top 3rd, probability is 60% for bulls to get new high

and 40% for bears to get new low


Reward for bears is 2x risk (good RR)

In Top 3rd: RR Favors Bears
In Top 3rd: RR Clearly Favors Bears

This means reward at least 2x risk

Also means probability fell to 40%

In bottom half, probability favors bears

This means at least 60% chance of new low

How Many Bear Dollars in Top 3rd? Need Reversal Down
How Many Bear Dollars in Top 3rd? Need Reversal Down


Even though probability favors bulls,

RR is at least 2:1 for the bears

Always bears willing to sell


In top 3rd, always an unknowable number of dollars ready to sell to create LH and Broad Bear Channel


Strength of reversal down tells traders bears stronger than bulls

Back to Always In Short